I post everyday (except not sure about weekends yet). Thanks so much for all your support helderheid and LD!
And here is a funny and a more serious inspiration for today. :):)
Hope all you out there are well!
Friday, March 9, 2012
How my thread works...
Thanks helderheid, for the question. It is a little confusing for sure! So I have one thread (so one post that will get longer and longer). You click on my name in the right column and then scroll down to find my most recent post. You can continue to comment if you so wish... it is just on the same post.
I post everyday (except not sure about weekends yet). Thanks so much for all your support helderheid and LD!
And here is a funny and a more serious inspiration for today. :):)
Hope all you out there are well!
I post everyday (except not sure about weekends yet). Thanks so much for all your support helderheid and LD!
And here is a funny and a more serious inspiration for today. :):)
Hope all you out there are well!
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Thanks for the clarification! I get it now! I'll figure it out. :) I may post comments here though. Old habits die hard!
ReplyDeleteI love the funnies!! Thanks for the giggle!
I just read the entire thread. Your losses are PHENOMENAL! I'm so happy for you. It may be something I'll try in future as well (though I have to say, the woman running the site is really a turn off with all the negativity towards HCG. I know it's not your opinion, but I do wonder if she realizes how many potential clients she's ostracizing?). It's especially intriguing given how hard it is to get HCG these days.
ReplyDeleteCongratulations again! All I can say is WOW!! Love you!
helderheid wrote: " the woman running the site is really a turn off with all the negativity towards HCG"
ReplyDeleteI'm sorry you feel that way, but my blog is based on the *science* of nutrition, obesity and diabetes. Because you came to the blog from and for Caitlin, you may not have had the opportunity to read my HCG analysis -- the first *scientific* analysis of P&I. You can read Part 1 (there are four parts) at: http://sugarfreegoodies.wordpress.com/2011/03/19/hcg-diet-analysis-part-i
When I first wrote the thread a year ago, I had no true comprehension of what horrors HCG users were doing to their metabolisms. But during this past year I have been privvy to the blood test results of well over 100 women who have taken the hormone and who followed Simeons' prototol. It hasn't been pretty. Each and every one of these women have severe hyperinsulinemia -- a particularly ugly form of diabetes -- that keeps their bodies awash in insulin 24/7 and places them at higher risk for heart disease and cancer, particularly breast cancer. And most of them have the thyroid hormone resistance form of hypothyroidism as well.
This is why "phenomenal losses" of *weight* don't matter much. My Protocol is designed to finally heal these broken metabolisms, and to get to the root cause of what made them fat to begin with: insulin resistance, which HCG and Simeons' protocol makes infinitely worse. The pound, and more importantly, the inch losses, are a by-product of that healing, not the main goal. I hope you will read the entire thread with an open mind, and judge for yourself.
helderheid wrote: "I do wonder if she realizes how many potential clients she's ostracizing?"
If telling the truth and proving that truth turns away those who prefer mistaken belief to science, I can only hope that they will ultimately see the light. All I can do is continue to present it.
How unfortunate she still doesn't see what a turn off the negativity is.
ReplyDeleteI worked with a physician's assistant counseling HCG patients. Their bloodwork was monitored and this was not our experience. My blood work has been monitored post HCG as well, and I have had no such negative results. I was hypothyroid prior to HCG, so that is a moot point. My blood sugar is as close to perfect as it can get (in fact, my doctor was amazed by it). My visceral fat is totally in the normal range. It completely reshaped me.
I'm sure HCG isn't for everyone but to paint such a brood brush is unfortunate. Just my opinion.
And by brood, I mean broad. Sheesh! :P
ReplyDeletehelderheid wrote: "How unfortunate she still doesn't see what a turn off the negativity is."
ReplyDeleteHow interesting that you continue to address me in the third person as if I weren't here. :)
I do indeed see 'it'. However, I care more for the health of the women I help than I do about the opinions of people who refuse to even read the science, let alone analyze it (for good OR for bad).
My negativity is based on science. Your positivity is based on faith. I will never say a word against faith -- until that faith starts burning people at the stake. :)
"My blood sugar is as close to perfect as it can get (in fact, my doctor was amazed by it)."
I'm sure he was. The blood sugar readings of all the hyperinsulinemic women were also good. Perfect was the precise word their doctors used. That's because their doctors, who know so little about nutrition, obesity or diabetes (having spent no more than a total of fifteen minutes on all three in medical school, which does not teach these subjects in-depth) neglected to order the *companion* test to glucose, which is Fasting Insulin.
A "perfect" fasting glucose is perfect only to the extent that one's insulin level is also perfect. That would be 4 or less. If on the other hand the insulin test result is above that (and for many of these women it's 20 or higher!), then that so-called 'perfect' result is not only *not* good, it's an actual symptom of hyperinsulinemia. Of course the doctors who peddle HCG (all of whom should lose their license to practice by violating their Hypocratic oath to "first do no hard")don't know about this so they don't order the test -- anymore than they know what to do about their obese patients other than to sell them snake oil.
"It (HCG) completely reshaped me."
If by 'shape you' you mean the hormone did what 2.5 million years of evolution designed it to do: give pregnant women EXTRA fat cells to survive prenancy and nursing in lean times -- I have no doubt that's true. Those cells are empty now, but they will be with you for the rest of your life, just lying in wait to be filled with fat.
If by "reshape" you mean that HCG contributed to fat cells opening so that fat could be used as fuel, then you are 100% wrong. HCG cannot and does not do this. The starvation level, low-carb (relatively speaking) Simeons' protocol reduces insulin. When insulin is reduced in the presence of extremely low calories, a few million years of evolution created a process that then takes place: LIPOLYSIS. It is the sole job of lipolysis to open fat cells and use the excess fat for fuel, keeping the body from cannibelizing muscle mass during times of starvation. No point in having the Mastodon run again if you're too weak to catch them!
Simeons' didn't know this of course; the science of his day was fairly limited. He mistook lipolysis for the actions of HCG, a natural mistake, but one that has persisted to this day among the Faithful.
In fact, once my analysis and debunk of HCG was completed, I recruited volunteers who were then "successfully" using HCG (and who were *convinced* the HCG was 'reshaping' them) to take part in a scientific experiment, all of which is posted for the public to read on my blog. That experiment proved, in real-time, that HCG did absolutely NOTHING to either reduce appetite, or reduce them. Zip. Nada. Zilch. The experiment DID prove, and without doubt, that it was in fact lipolysis that was doing all the work. Once we stopped lipolysis from happening, and despite their continuing to take HCG, raging hunger returnd, as did pound and inches. Once we started lipolysis in them again -- bingo -- hunger disappeared and the inches melted off again.
This is simple Biology 101 and I once again urge to read the analysis and the experiment yourself to see how little your faith, as opposed to my negativity, is validated.
SugarFree
I'm so sorry! I thought Caitlin had passed info on to you and she was reposting your answers here. I was referring to you in the third person because I thought I was, in fact, replying to Caitlin, not you. My apologies.
ReplyDeleteI had about $3000 worth of blood tests done 1 year post HCG by a doctor who doesn't "peddle" HCG. In fact, she'd never heard of the protocol before, so she wasn't biased. The only test that was abnormal was my ferritin levels, which resolved itself.
The physician I worked for is a brilliant woman who graduated from Stanford. She based all of her work on science.
Out of simple curiosity, did you also try HCG?
As far as the creation of new fat cells, that is patently false. The body creates fat cells until a certain time in one's life (when one becomes an adult). One doesn't lose fat cells when they lose weight. Fat cells expand and contract, they aren't "lost" or created.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fat_cells
http://science.howstuffworks.com/environmental/life/human-biology/fat-cell.htm
Your science doesn't square with the science I've been exposed to (not faith).
Again, sorry for the confusion about referring to you in 3rd person. My mistake!
Oh and Caitlin? Sorry for hijacking your thread! :) Love you!!
ReplyDeleteResponse, Part 1:
ReplyDeletehelderheid wrote: "I was referring to you in the third person because I thought I was, in fact, replying to Caitlin, not you."
Ah, I understand. Thank you for the explanation and apology; it is truly appreciated.
Have I ever tried HCG? If you read my blog, instead of guessing (incorrectly) about what's in it, you'd know that I indeed, to my everlasting shame, take HCG. Luckily Simeons' protocol didn't work -- I was too insulin resistant to get into lipolysis, and of course HCG does nothing in that regard -- and thus I dropped it too quickly for it to have done permanent damage. So if your tests revealed that your fasting insulin is less than 4, congratulations. You are one of the lucky 1%. Unfortunately, that leaves 99% of all HCG takers out of luck and stuck with hyperinsulinemia.
Unfortunately, your information about fat cells is no longer scientifically valid. Science always marches on when new knowledge or techniques become available. It is by relying on outdated data however, that often causes significant health problems.
Take the diabetes drug Avandia, once given out like candy to patients. Patients took it, blood sugar numbers plummeted, and doctors, who rarely treat patients but rather numbers on a spread sheet, were happy despite the fact that these patients appeared to be gaining fat. Quite a lot of it. They never questionned the pathway the drug took, nor the results. The numbers were "good" and that's all that mattered.
Then patients starting dying like flies. Oops. Maybe not so good after all. The FDA mandated studies and hearings were held. One result was that the pathway of Avandia was revealed. It lowered blood sugars because all it did was send signals to proto-fat cells (the tiny, not-containing-fat cells that circle our real fat cells) to become full-fledged fat cells, and then it shoved all the glucose (as triglycerides) into them. That's why patients got fat on it, and why they ultimately died from heart disease on it.
Avandia now carries a Black Box warning on the label (though of course it should have been yanked from the market), and luckily most doctors no longer prescribe it.
The process of turning proto-fat cells into full-fledged fat cells is not limited to those who take Avandia however. The process whereby this happens has a name. It's called Hyperplastic Obesity. Old science believed this only occured in childhood (hyperplasia - the growth of new fat cells) and that adults only suffered hypertrophy (expansion of existing fat cells) but newer science now knows this to be false.
I haven't read your blog, obviously. Thanks for answering my question.
ReplyDeleteI'm glad what you're doing is working for you!
Does your blog have links to these new scientific studies?
"I indeed, to my everlasting shame, take HCG"
ReplyDeleteLOL -- of course that should be "took" HCG, not take!
helderheid wrote: "Does your blog have links to these new scientific studies?"
I don't know how it happened, but Part 2 of my response (with all the links) was somehow deleted when I posted it about 30 mintues ago. Let's try this again:
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Response Part 2:
Certainly, as obese and/or diabetic patients continue to stuff fat cells with glucose until they can stretch and hold any more -- more fat cells are produced (previous scientific research bypassed by new knowledge) and *then* are with you for life.
See: http://scienceblogs.com/notrocketscience/2008/05/fat_cell_number_is_set_in_childhood_and_stays_constant_in_ad.php
"As fat people have an abundance of fat tissue, the natural assumption is that fat people have more fat cells, or 'adipocytes'. That's only part of the story - it turns out that overweight and obese people not only have a surplus of fat cells, they have larger ones too."
And: http://www.ploscompbiol.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pcbi.1000324
And: www.jlr.org/content/15/6/580.full.pdf
And finally, from my HCG Analysis, Part 1:
"Certainly enough Gold Standard tests (controlled, random and double-blind) were conducted on HCG as it applies to Simeons' diet to prove that it does nothing whatever to "liberate abnormal fat" in the people taking it (more about which later), so that anyone who believes in science (rather than anecdote) must trust those conclusions. Worse: an In vitro study published in the 2007 Journal of Endocrinology (In vitro effects of chorionic gonadotropin hormone on human adipose development) shows the very alarming adipogenic (adipose fat building) tendency of the drug, and discusses the newly discovered pathways by which this happens."
Link to that Medical Journal article: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17641281
SugarFree
Thanks, I'll check out the links. Would it be safe to assume then that we create new fat cells during pregnancy (since HCG is the pregnancy hormone)? Do we also increase our risk of breast cancer by having children?
ReplyDeleteThanks for your time.
Ignore my first question. Your links and further investigation does show that there is an increase of fat cells during the 3rd trimester of pregnancy.
ReplyDelete"Is it safe to assume that we create new fat cells during pregnancy?"
ReplyDeleteAbsolutely! This is a wonderful evolutionary survival adaptation from a time when being pregnant wasn't a respite from having to hunt to eat. Extra fat cells (created only in the first trimester), could be filled during the good times if required. When lean times came during the pregnancy, as it often did, and pregnant women often had to go days without eating, the fetus would never suffer since extra fat was always available to be liberated by lipolysis and used for fuel.
Nor did the woman have to sacrifice lean muscle mass, which would make her weak, and incapable of hunting well when game was plentiful. There was always that excess fat to be used. During pregnancy and while nursing as well. It is a design both simple and elegant and without it, it is unlikely our species would have survived.
However, do not confuse having extra fat cells with always having them _filled_. After pregnancy those fat cells first fill with water, either by volume or weight to match any fat lost from them, and then they shrink and die. The mainstream research as to whether or not they are then *fully* replaced is yet to be done, but my theory is that they are only replaced to the extent to which a pregnant woman suffers from insulin resistance. We'll see. Truly innovative studies of adipose fat is still in its infancy.
"Do we also increase our risk of breast cancer by having children?"
You appear to have confused lipolysis with hyperinsulinemia! Breast cancer cells have a favorite food: glucose. To the extent that you eat a diet filled with processed sugar and lots of fruit instead of a healthy diet of no processed sugar, minimal fruit and a lot of saturated animal fat instead, is the extent to which you raise or lower your risk of breast cancer. Women who take HCG get extra fat cells because of the *HCG*. Women who eat the Simeons' diet become hyperinsulinemic -- thus raising their risk of heart disease and cancer -- because of the *diet*.
This is even more tragic once you realize -- as Caitlin will attest -- that neither HCG nor the Simeons' diet is needed to lose enormous amounts of pounds and inches in the form of fat. Neither of those two things are necessary. At all.
Just out of curiosity: what is your insulin level?
SugarFree
This confuses me. If the fat cells are created during the 3rd trimester, I don't see how this proves the HCG protocol causes fat cells to increase. It just makes no sense to me.
ReplyDeleteBecause I am hypothyroid, my diet is extremely limited in fruit. I eat sugar maybe once a year in tiny amounts, as it makes me feel instantly ill. My diet consists mostly of animal protein.
Anyway, as I previously said, I'm glad you have found what works for you and that others are benefiting from that as well.
helderheid wrote: " If the fat cells are created during the 3rd trimester, I don't see how this proves the HCG protocol causes fat cells to increase. It just makes no sense to me."
ReplyDeletePerhaps if you read more carefully? I said FIRST trimester, not third. Also, I understand that you don't 'see how' HCG (note: I never said 'protocol') increases fat cells. That's because you still haven't read the medical journal in which they discuss the experiments they ran to prove what HCG does. And that is what it does. That's its sole purpose: to increase fat cells.
" My diet consists mostly of animal protein."
Which explains why you continue to be hypothyroid and why you continue to get fat again after going off starvation level calories. My blog goes into this thoroughly and gives the medical textbook citations that show this.
"I'm glad you have found what works for you and that others are benefiting from that as well."
That's because instead of violating the rules of human biology, as Simeons' and HCG does, it follows them. :)
The best thing though, is that it can also work for YOU. In sincerely invite you to come to the blog and spend a day reading more than Caitlin's journal. I imagine a lot of lightbulbs into your own condition will go off as you do, and a switch from Simeons's diet to my Protocol will make you slim, trim and healthy again. Best of all, you won't EVER regain any of it back.
Namaste!
SugarFree
I may check it out.
ReplyDeleteFWIW, I maintained my loss for 2 years. I began HCG in 2008.
I did gain weight between February of last year until now, but I was going through tremendous stress (I'll spare you the details). Your statement about why I continue to get fat seems to be totally contradictory to the statement about "To the extent that you eat a diet filled with processed sugar and lots of fruit instead of a healthy diet of no processed sugar, minimal fruit and a lot of saturated animal fat instead, is the extent to which you raise or lower your risk of breast cancer. "
Granted, this was about breast cancer and not weight, but it does make me confused.
The studies I've read (including the ones you sent me) stated it is in the 3rd trimester that HCG causes an increase in fat cells.
Thanks for the information, SF!
Namaste'
I failed to mention that I didn't gain back all the weight I released, and as I stated before, my visceral fat is within the normal range, so regardless of what weight that did creep back on, I'm still healthy. I couldn't say that prior to HCG.
ReplyDeleteI should also note I wasn't always overweight. This happened after my thyroid decided not to function anymore.
And with that, I'm out! It's been enlightening, SF!
Thanks for the comment space, Caitlin! :P
Your statement about why I continue to get fat seems to be totally contradictory to the statement about "To the extent that you eat a diet filled with processed sugar and lots of fruit instead of a healthy diet of no processed sugar, minimal fruit and a lot of saturated animal fat instead, is the extent to which you raise or lower your risk of breast cancer." Granted, this was about breast cancer and not weight..."
ReplyDeleteExactly. Breast cancer. Not weight. Apples. Oranges. :)
It's one thing to eat a diet rich in FAT as opposed to eating sugar and fruit -- and quite another to eat a diet that consists most of PROTEIN. You may not be aware of this, but in women with the *insulin resistant* version of PCOS (not the version with cysts or trouble getting pregnant) -- and based on what you've said about yourself, you have many symptoms -- a full 50% of all the protein you eat can, and probably is converted to glucose.
Eating a lot of protein is NOT a good thing! My blog explains why. :)
SugarFree
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ReplyDeleteSF, I was tested for PCOS and I am not PCOS. I should have been more specific. My diet consists of red and white meats, cheese and cream for my morning coffee, and veggies, in that order. I include LOTS of fat in my diet. I'm not one of those who is afraid of fat. I've been experimenting with what works and doesn't work for my body for some time. Between that and a couple brilliant doctors I've been fortunate enough to work with, I feel very comfortable knowing what works for me. I'm really not trying to get you to diagnose me. I'm just trying to understand your point of view.
ReplyDelete"And with that, I'm out!"
ReplyDeleteReally? You appear to still be here. :)
"I was tested for PCOs and I am not PCOS."
There is no test for the insulin resistant variant of PCOS, so there is no way you could have been tested for it. And, despite your protests, you do have a lot of the symptoms.
You may eat "lots" of fat (whatever that means to you, and on Simeons -- which is what you're doing right now -- it means zero) but you said, and I quote: " My diet consists MOSTLY of animal protein."
It appears that everytime I point out a problem with what you actually say, you try to unsay it. I didn't say you don't eat sufficient fat (though unless you're eating about 1600 calories of FAT itself per day, you're not), I said you're probably eating too much *protein*. That's quite a different thing. And this is very likely the reason, whether or not you want to hear it, why you went from 115 pounds on starvation level calories to nearly 150 by eating your way. If you truly knew what 'worked for you' -- if you truly had a normal metabolism -- this would NOT happen. You would lose all the fat you wanted, then eat like a normal person again without gaining nearly forty pounds you now need to starve off.
Yes, you were able to keep the fat off for a few years -- years ago. Now your body is even more insulin resistant (the only way humans can get fat in the first place is to become insulin resistant. So yes, you are IR.) and it is becoming harder.
You may continue to bludgeon your body into submission by starving yourself. You may continue to add ever more adipose fat cells when you already have more than a 'normal' person (someone who was never obese like me or you) with HCG, and you may continue to defend to the death your right to do it. I'll defend your right to do it too.
But I will never be silenced on the scientific fact that this is precisely what you are doing, because I want to make sure that other women, more open to reason than you (who will read first and give their opinions later), will heed the warning and never put that hormone into their poor, starved, beaten bodies. Negative? Yes. Harsh? Yes. But my mission is saving and healing lives, even if yours probably won't be one of them and it is to them I owe my allegiance and truth.
Yes, I do seem to be here (despite my best judgement *sigh*).
ReplyDelete"There is no test for the insulin resistant variant of PCOS, so there is no way you could have been tested for it. And, despite your protests, you do have a lot of the symptoms."
Okay, so how does one diagnose such a condition if there is no such test?
I know you think I'm unsaying what I had previously said, but I am in fact elaborating and being more specific. As I said, I'm not afraid of fats. A close to Atkins style diet works best for me.
As I stated, I went through a tremendous amount of stress the year I gained back some of the weight. Stress is a killer, as I'm sure you're well aware.
I'm not looking for an armchair diagnosis from you, SF. I'm not a complete layman when it comes to these things. I've worked with professionals on my physical issues. I've worked with one of the most brilliant minds to graduate Stanford in regards to HCG. I've experienced my own sets of numerous rigorous tests pre and post HCG.
When I look at the calories in during the year I gained some of this weight back, it's no wonder I did. I know how I got here, and I'm completely responsible for it.
I think much of your research is absolutely fascinating and merit worthy.
It's clear to me, however, your mind is made up as to what is right and wrong when it comes to releasing weight, especially in regards to HCG. That said, there really is no point in explaining my point of view to you, as your mind is set. I'll continue to keep an open mind about your approach.
Part 1
ReplyDelete"how does one diagnose such a condition if there is no such test?"
Excellent question. It's one of the reasons this version of PCOS goes undiagnosed for so many women. It turns out to be a cluster of symptoms just like the symptoms that qualify for a diagnosis of Metabolic Sydrome X: High Triglycerides, Low HDL, High Blood Pressure and Obesity. If you have all those, you have Metabolic Syndrome X even though there's no 'test' for it.
The insulin resistant variant of PCOS is a different cluster that, when combined, is what I now call Metabolic Syndrome XX. Women who have it have good HDL, decent but not great TG's, and good blood pressure.
However, they also have: low insulin and glucose levels while retaining fat, an anomaly that indicates "lazy" insulin insufficent to handle even low levels of consumed carbohydrates. Which is made worse by the fact that women with this variant of PCOS also have runaway gluconeogenesis, which converts up to 50% of all the protein they eat to glucose!
So these women eat a high fat, lowish carb diet, yet get get fatter and fatter, all the while having 'normal' if not perfect insulin and glucose readings. No wonder most doctors miss it.
However, there is one more symptom that makes a final diagnosis inescapable. Women with this variant are super-sensitive to cortisol. And cortisol depresses insulin, which raises *post-prandial* blood sugars (as opposed to fasting sugars, which are uniformly good for these women), which makes their muscle cells insulin resistant, which stores fat.
And what raises cortisol? Stress is the major cause. Show me a woman who puts on fat when stressed, and I'll show you a woman with insulin resistant PCOS! Now take that woman and put her on HCG and a fruit-laden starvation diet, and you'll transform her into a hyperinsulinemic, as her pancreas tries to churn out enough insulin to handle the rising sugars when her insulin is not even capable of dealing with modest carbs. A horrible downward spiral. And it's one I've seen over and over again. Have you read the blood tests of over a hundred women who took HCG? I have. And the results are all the same. Have you made these women slim and trim and well again? I have.
Part 2
ReplyDelete"I've worked with one of the most brilliant minds to graduate Stanford in regards to HCG"
All due respect, unless your friend has published a peer reviewed article in a medical journal proving HCG's efficacy, I'm not impressed. Furthermore, if that 'mind' has dismissed all the Gold Standard, double-blind placebo trials (all published and peer reviewed) that have thoroughly debunked HCG and PROVEN it to be no more effective for weight loss than snake oil -- then I don't believe that mind is brilliant, or even very smart.
It is an old debating trick to say "well, everyone agrees with me" or "I'm working with smart people so I know I'm right." None of that counts in a scientific argument. I've put my scientific cards on the table in my blog, where anyone is free to refute the *science* in public -- and I welcome you to do so if you can. But I'm afraid "I work with a brilliant mind" doesn't really cut it in that regard. :) If you can refute the science with science, do so. If not, as Lawrence O'Donnell recently said: "Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. No one is entitled to their own FACTS."
"It's clear your mind is made up as to what is right and wrong when it comes to releasing weight, especially in regards to HCG."
No. There is no 'right' or 'wrong'. There is only opinion, and there is fact. That insulin resistance is a requirement for getting fat is a fact. That starvation level calories make you hypothyroid is a fact. That HCG does absolutely nothing to make you lose weight and gives you more fat cells is a fact. That what does make you lose weight and open fat cells is a biologic process known as lipolysis is FACT. Not opinion. Not right, not wrong. Just fact.
SugarFree
I should just go to bed...
ReplyDelete""how does one diagnose such a condition if there is no such test?"
Excellent question. It's one of the reasons this version of PCOS goes undiagnosed for so many women. It turns out to be a cluster of symptoms just like the symptoms that qualify for a diagnosis of Metabolic Sydrome X: High Triglycerides, Low HDL, High Blood Pressure and Obesity. If you have all those, you have Metabolic Syndrome X even though there's no 'test' for it."
No answer.
"All due respect, unless your friend has published a peer reviewed article in a medical journal proving HCG's efficacy, I'm not impressed. "
Where is your peer reviewed articles, with all due respect? Are you a doctor? What is your background?
Thanks!
"No answer."
ReplyDeleteIf so, doctors all over the world who diagnose Metabolic Syndrome X, and all the medical journals that write about Metabolic Syndrome X, and all the insurance companies that pay for treatment of Metabolic Syndrome X will be mightily suprised -- by your lack of knowledge, that is.
"Where is your peer reviewed articles, with all due respect?"
I have none. I need none, since I don't claim to be a "brilliant mind" as was your "appeal to authority" yesterday to explain why, in this entire discussion, you have brought forth no original thought of your own, no *scientific* medical journal citations to back up your argument. Whereas I have supplied the links to several medical journal articles here, and many dozens more on my blog.
As to who I am --I am a nobody who graduated from a no-name college, obtained a masters degree from another plain university here and in Europe (though on full scholarships all the way, thank goodness, as I was also quite poor), and my mind remains mediocre at best. I can barely rub two words together.
But I am also someone who has: researched well, thought about the subjects a great deal, researched more (I am a freelance medical and science researcher), synthesized an original hypothesis about obesity from my research, and then created an experiment using the scientific method to see if my theories were correct, or just hooey (as are your thoroughtly debunked opinions about HCG). Those experiments proved, and are continuing to prove, that my hypothesis is correct, and as a result lives have been changed and dare I say, even saved.
If I invent a drug that cures a disease, the proof is in the cure, not the paper. When you have done all the above -- in fact, when you have simply spent the time to read all the above -- then you will neither need a peer-reviewed paper, nor have to use, as your sole argument: "but I have a friend who's smart, and he/she agrees with me."
Your friend Caitlin has attested to all of my findings on this very blog, that HCG is in fact nothing but harmful. She has publicly urged no one to ever it take again, and has apologized for leading people astray. She found my theories compelling when she read them, but a theory is only a theory until put into practice. And once she did that for herself, she discovered that my hypothesis is in fact true, as she has told me she will shortly write here.
You may continue asking me questions while you answer none (what is your insulin level, by the way? And what has your brilliant friend written on the subject of HCG?) and I will continue to respond to each and every one. I may be a bad writer, but I do so enjoy writing that it will be a pure pleasure to always reply to any of your comments in this thread.
SugarFree
SF, it's obvious what you're doing is working for you and Caitlin, and that is impressive. Extremely impressive.
ReplyDeleteAs far as how you got to where you're at, I simply am not convinced. I can see where you've made what connections, but past that, I see gaps in your logic. Still, as I've said, it's obvious what you're doing is working for Caitlin, and I'll continue to watch her.
I don't know my insulin level SF. Even if I did, I'm not entirely sure I'd share it with you as you seem absolutely determined to armchair diagnose me, and you're not a doctor as you've now stated.
Thanks for the interesting conversation.
Sorry, but for some reason my blog is not letting comments post... so here is a last post from SugarFree. Thank you both for the great discussion!
ReplyDeleteSugarFree has left a new comment on your post "How my thread works...":
Once again a comment I posted hours ago disappeared, so let me try again.
"I can see where you've made what connections, but past that, I see gaps in your logic."
Which would be ... what? Oh, you don't say.
Well, no surprise there. That's because you haven't read either my connections or my logic. You've only read comments on a blog, and not the blog itself. That's like trying to review a film when you've only watched the trailer.
Read the actual blog, and the real connections and logic. Follow the links on the blog and read the medical articles. Then I will truly look forward to any informed comments you care to make about them, me, my connections or logic.
"I don't know my insulin level..."
What? Those $3000 blood tests didn't contain the most basic and crucial test of all where the metabolism is concerned? Then in all seriousness, you should have it done and pronto. Your symptoms all suggest the same hyperinsulinemia that plagues takers of HCG with few exceptions.
Having your organs awash in insulin 24/7 is not a good thing, and if this is the case it should be corrected immediately. Given what you've said about yourself, along with the fact that you've taken HCG, I suspect your level will be far above the norm of 4 or less -- but even if so you never have to tell me I was right. :)))
SugarFree
Posted by SugarFree to Goodbye, HCG! at March 10, 2012 11:45 AM